White House wants to make canceling subscriptions as easy as signing up

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Time is Money: The Biden administration is cracking down on shady techniques that businesses use to "add unnecessary headaches and hassles to people's days" and diminish their standard of living. "Time is Money" is an initiative targeting the strategically designed hoops that some companies force customers to jump through in order to cancel a membership or get a refund due. Faced with mountains of paperwork or endless hours on hold, many consumers simply give up – and that's exactly what businesses want as it means more profit in their pockets.

The wide-reaching push involves multiple government agencies. For example, the Federal Trade Commission is working on a proposal that would make canceling a service or subscription as easy as signing up for it. The FCC, meanwhile, is now looking into whether similar requirements should be extended to companies doing business in the communications industry.

Elsewhere, the Department of Transportation's new automatic refund rule forces airlines to return airfare promptly and in the original form of payment when your flight is canceled or significantly changed for any reason, and you aren't offered rebooking options or choose not to accept them.

The administration also wants to make it easier to submit claims when dealing with health insurance companies. According to the White House, some companies still require customers to physically mail in claims. With help from the Department of Health and Human Services, the administration hopes to identify tactics to help customers save time and money when dealing with their health coverage.

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, meanwhile, is planning a rulemaking process by which companies under its jurisdiction will be required to let customers talk to a human representative simply by pressing a single button on their phone, putting an end to automated "doom loops." They also aim to crack down on the use of ineffective or time-wasting chatbots that are popular among banks and other financial institutions, and determine when the use of such bots is unlawful – like when people think they are talking to a real person.

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Congress passes laws. The White House can only pressure them, or when trying to look good, issues executive orders that have no longevity past the current administration.

Consumer Affairs are handled by th FTC, which has grown fat, dumb, and lazy.

But, everyone tries to look like they care in a US election year. Nothing really changes unless you have billions and can influence the issues in your favor, through direct socializing/influence, or lobbying (legal bribery). This is the ancient American way. And still, we the people persist and thrive, wherever possible

Dark patterns to end subscriptions may be frustrating, but they are navigable if you don't give up trying.
 
It used to be you could "lose" your credit card, resulting in issuance of a new credit card number, which was a handy way to do it. IIRC I needed this back in the day for the Mt. Everest of cancellation attempts, 24 Hour Fitness. Cancellation had to be in-person, at the location you originally signed up at (even if they moved it), I think with a manager, who seemed to rarely be available. He must have been having lunch with the auto dealer manager.

These days I notice a lot of bigger companies auto-convert to the new number so that's out.
 
I tried to cancel my subscription to AnyTime Fitness, you had to send in certified mail to their headquarters. I did so 5 times they either called and said I filed the paper work on and needed to send in another one(but wouldn't tell me how to file it properly). Then I started reversing the charges on my credit card. Finally, they sent in a $410 bill to collections. That was 7 years ago. I don't know how, but they keep "renewing" that debt and it is still on my credit report to this day.

**** you anytime fitness, I had a landlord deny me for an apartment when he did a credit check. Was asked why I didn't just pay to get it off my credit report and he didnt like my answer that the debt was fraudulent and I wasnt paying it. The ****ed up thing is that I might actually have to pay them their $410.

Everytime I check my credit it's on there, staring at me. I don't know what makes me angrier, the fact that I have to look at it everytime I check my credit or the fact that I might have to pay it to stop looking at it.
 
I tried to cancel my subscription to AnyTime Fitness, you had to send in certified mail to their headquarters. I did so 5 times they either called and said I filed the paper work on and needed to send in another one(but wouldn't tell me how to file it properly). Then I started reversing the charges on my credit card. Finally, they sent in a $410 bill to collections. That was 7 years ago. I don't know how, but they keep "renewing" that debt and it is still on my credit report to this day.

**** you anytime fitness, I had a landlord deny me for an apartment when he did a credit check. Was asked why I didn't just pay to get it off my credit report and he didnt like my answer that the debt was fraudulent and I wasnt paying it. The ****ed up thing is that I might actually have to pay them their $410.

Everytime I check my credit it's on there, staring at me. I don't know what makes me angrier, the fact that I have to look at it everytime I check my credit or the fact that I might have to pay it to stop looking at it.
What you experienced is criminal. The CEO should be jailed.
 
you had to send in certified mail to their headquarters. I did so 5 times they either called and said I filed the paper work on and needed to send in another one(but wouldn't tell me how to file it properly).
That's awful. Do you still have copies of your cancellation letters and their replies? While it's probably not strictly worth your time, have you thought about taking them to small claims court, in reference to the most recent "renewal" of the debt? (the original transaction is probably too long ago.)

I don't know what would happen but you could at least take solace in forcing them to jump through hoops for once.
 
I tried to cancel my subscription to AnyTime Fitness, you had to send in certified mail to their headquarters. I did so 5 times they either called and said I filed the paper work on and needed to send in another one(but wouldn't tell me how to file it properly). Then I started reversing the charges on my credit card. Finally, they sent in a $410 bill to collections. That was 7 years ago. I don't know how, but they keep "renewing" that debt and it is still on my credit report to this day.

**** you anytime fitness, I had a landlord deny me for an apartment when he did a credit check. Was asked why I didn't just pay to get it off my credit report and he didnt like my answer that the debt was fraudulent and I wasnt paying it. The ****ed up thing is that I might actually have to pay them their $410.

Everytime I check my credit it's on there, staring at me. I don't know what makes me angrier, the fact that I have to look at it everytime I check my credit or the fact that I might have to pay it to stop looking at it.
I had a similar experience with LA Fitness. In my case, some dirt bag in Chicago got my credit card number fraudulently and decided he was going to use it for his LA Fitness subscription. LA Fitness (or whatever the hell they are now calling themselves) is so kind that they subscribe to any and every change to a credit card number so that they can have your credit card number in perpetuity. (I sh!t you not.) I called my bank and reported the fraud, and I also called LA Fitness, told them that their "customer" was not authorized to use my card and was doing so fraudulently and they agreed to reverse the charges.

So, my bank issued a new credit card, and then, I see charges from LA Fitness on it again.I go through the same gyrations. The long and short of it is that I had to call my bank back and tell them that LA Fitness is not authorized to charge my credit card on a permanent basis. And that ended my LA Fitness story.

I don't know that you are in a similar situation, but if you had told your bank that whoever it was was not authorized to use your card, it might have prevented them charging your card.

Not many people know that when a company enters your credit car info, they can register to get updates including, but not limited to, if a new credit card number is issued from the credit card company directly. In fact, I just got an e-mail today telling me that Etsy had done so with my current credit card, "for my convenience." Needless to say, I immediately logged into Etsy and deleted my credit card from my account.
Congress passes laws. The White House can only pressure them, or when trying to look good, issues executive orders that have no longevity past the current administration.

Consumer Affairs are handled by th FTC, which has grown fat, dumb, and lazy.

But, everyone tries to look like they care in a US election year. Nothing really changes unless you have billions and can influence the issues in your favor, through direct socializing/influence, or lobbying (legal bribery). This is the ancient American way. And still, we the people persist and thrive, wherever possible

Dark patterns to end subscriptions may be frustrating, but they are navigable if you don't give up trying.
Whether you think so or not, we the people have a voice.

And according to this NPR story, https://www.npr.org/2024/08/12/nx-s...lls-the-white-house-is-working-to-change-that there are even companies that want this change.

IMO - Its about time someone acted to end this BS - political or not, and I cannot imagine the party of big business doing the same thing.
 
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I have a different problem. I clearly remember unsubbing from paramaunt+.
A few months before it would expire, I checked it again... And I am subscribed again!
That is not cool.
 
Would a timeshare count as a membership or subscription? Because OOOOOH BOY have I heard stories from family members and acquaintances about trying to cancel those.

I tried to cancel my subscription to AnyTime Fitness, you had to send in certified mail to their headquarters. I did so 5 times they either called and said I filed the paper work on and needed to send in another one(but wouldn't tell me how to file it properly). Then I started reversing the charges on my credit card. Finally, they sent in a $410 bill to collections. That was 7 years ago. I don't know how, but they keep "renewing" that debt and it is still on my credit report to this day.

**** you anytime fitness, I had a landlord deny me for an apartment when he did a credit check. Was asked why I didn't just pay to get it off my credit report and he didnt like my answer that the debt was fraudulent and I wasnt paying it. The ****ed up thing is that I might actually have to pay them their $410.

Everytime I check my credit it's on there, staring at me. I don't know what makes me angrier, the fact that I have to look at it everytime I check my credit or the fact that I might have to pay it to stop looking at it.
Wow, I used to have Anytime Fitness as well, from 2012 through 2019 but due to life changes I had to cancel my gym membership with them... but my experience was the exact opposite. It took a single conversation with a manager at my "home" gym location and maybe 10 extra minutes of my time at the gym that day, and payment was set to not renew and my keyfob would automatically deactivate at the end of the current period.

Considering that they operate with franchised gyms I would have suspected it was a local issue with the gyms near you being extremely scummy, but with your direct interactions with corporate it really makes me wonder what really was happening, and certainly not being told what was wrong with your paperwork is supremely unhelpful. Having that crap being held over your head like a guillotine has got to be the worst... but I will not comment any further about how that bill was left to fester.
 
I had a similar experience with LA Fitness. In my case, some dirt bag in Chicago got my credit card number fraudulently and decided he was going to use it for his LA Fitness subscription. LA Fitness (or whatever the hell they are now calling themselves) is so kind that they subscribe to any and every change to a credit card number so that they can have your credit card number in perpetuity. (I sh!t you not.) I called my bank and reported the fraud, and I also called LA Fitness, told them that their "customer" was not authorized to use my card and was doing so fraudulently and they agreed to reverse the charges.

So, my bank issued a new credit card, and then, I see charges from LA Fitness on it again.I go through the same gyrations. The long and short of it is that I had to call my bank back and tell them that LA Fitness is not authorized to charge my credit card on a permanent basis. And that ended my LA Fitness story.

I don't know that you are in a similar situation, but if you had told your bank that whoever it was was not authorized to use your card, it might have prevented them charging your card.

Not many people know that when a company enters your credit car info, they can register to get updates including, but not limited to, if a new credit card number is issued from the credit card company directly. In fact, I just got an e-mail today telling me that Etsy had done so with my current credit card, "for my convenience." Needless to say, I immediately logged into Etsy and deleted my credit card from my account.
I kept getting charge rejected notifications for 4 months after canceling with them, I didn't get a new card. But I was moving and there wasn't wasn't new gym near my place. They sent it to collections and about a year ago I get a call from a debt collector and accidently identified myself which apparently renews the debt(since they got ahold of me) and it failed to drop off. Keep in mind, I work commercial construction so I get several legitimate calls a day.
 
I've found the easiest way to cancel a subscription is to simply change the credit card number and when they complain they can't bill me they get the news .... hasn't failed me yet.
 
How about reducing the government spending forcing us to print money to pay for government that’s creating inflation?

Then average Americans could afford their subscriptions.
 
I know some don't like Paypal but I used them for my Adobe subscription before the FTC went after them. Cancelling with Adobe simply puts you into a loop on their website. Finally I put a stop payment with Paypal and that ended my subscription.
 
How about reducing the government spending forcing us to print money to pay for government that’s creating inflation?

Then average Americans could afford their subscriptions.
So, we should be a bit richer so that scumbag companies may continue to fleece us and we don't have to care anymore??

Great thinking and perfect logic!
 
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