First mini PC with Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 benchmarked, can run most AAA titles at 1080p60

It’s not 1080p60 if it’s upscaling to 1080 and even less so if it's upscaling with frame generation.

AMD, plz do not only put 890m into high-end CPUs. A person who will buy high-end CPU will very likely buy high-end GPU as well.
Entry level CPUs need this integrated graphics much much more than top processors.
If you build an affordable PC, this integrated graphics is like a gift, like an ability to safe additional 150-200 bucks.

"Dedicated GPU? What's that for?"

For when you want to play a game above "low" settings, and not have to use DLSS "performance" settings at 1080p low to hit 60 FPS.

Somehow, getting away from 1080p low has been the goal of every APU dating all the way back to Llano.

ScottSoapbox said:

It’s not 1080p60 if it’s upscaling to 1080 and even less so if it's upscaling with frame generation.

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I'm so sick of the clueless people that think DLSS and Frame Gen are not actual performance boosts. It 100% is, and I will bet a years salary that if I put two videos in front of you in real life (hell, I'll even let you play two actual games in person WITH a controller), you wouldn't have a clue which is using FG and which isn't, because I won't let you pause it and go frame-by-frame, as no human who has ever existed can see individual frames when there are 120+ appearing every second. Frame Generation is frickin' amazing, and I think those that hate on it are just jealous that they don't have a card that can do it. Boohoo.

Theinsanegamer said:

"Dedicated GPU? What's that for?"

For when you want to play a game above "low" settings, and not have to use DLSS "performance" settings at 1080p low to hit 60 FPS.

Somehow, getting away from 1080p low has been the goal of every APU dating all the way back to Llano.

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With this and maybe the crazy Strix halo one promised, is a good option of people who want another "console" they have complete control over.
Ie I don't see this a PC, but more a console to hook up to the TV along with PS5, Switch and Xbox

Those people have the PS5 for their AAA gaming, yes that's no RTX4090, but they don't care.
So they get YT without adverts , GOG/Steam access, Media player ,and retro gamer they control

Lots of people play older games , causal games, platformers . AAA big titles is just a small part .
You don't even need google, microsoft , nintendo, apple, sony to control you - tbf microsoft mostly lets you go what you want ,install what you want.

It's one small box, will easily fit, next to an Xbox , plus you can have it completely separate from your PC with banking, your social media accounts
The only downside is you need something like a PS5, Roku , apple TV as some streamers are shy to give PCs 4K feeds .

I think the "PC" console market will grow with better APU/iGPU.
Lots of people happy to pay for a total small package solution to sit under a TV

Plus imagine movie pirates will like it as from downloading 60GB remux in 20 minutes , to playing it on same device with soft player tweaked to way they like to a receiver to do full atmos , no EARC stuff necessary to have hope pass through works

Jarenien said:

I'm so sick of the clueless people that think DLSS and Frame Gen are not actual performance boosts. It 100% is, and I will bet a years salary that if I put two videos in front of you in real life (hell, I'll even let you play two actual games in person WITH a controller), you wouldn't have a clue which is using FG and which isn't, because I won't let you pause it and go frame-by-frame, as no human who has ever existed can see individual frames when there are 120+ appearing every second. Frame Generation is frickin' amazing, and I think those that hate on it are just jealous that they don't have a card that can do it. Boohoo.

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Or they dont like it because they CAN see the difference. Especially running at 1080p, with performance options, you're gonna notice it.

Well, you might not. But just because you dont notice it doesnt mean others dont. There are people out there perfectly fine with 30 FPS.

Jarenien said:

I'm so sick of the clueless people that think DLSS and Frame Gen are not actual performance boosts. It 100% is, and I will bet a years salary that if I put two videos in front of you in real life (hell, I'll even let you play two actual games in person WITH a controller), you wouldn't have a clue which is using FG and which isn't, because I won't let you pause it and go frame-by-frame, as no human who has ever existed can see individual frames when there are 120+ appearing every second. Frame Generation is frickin' amazing, and I think those that hate on it are just jealous that they don't have a card that can do it. Boohoo.

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My issue with frame generation, is that it takes two existing generated frames, creates new frames based off these existing frames, then inserts the new frames. This means that no user input is taken into account while creating the new frames, so you're not actually getting any value from a user input feedback perspective. This is why you hear people complain using FG feels laggy.

If your performance metric is FPS, then yes, FG gives you a performance boost. But for me gaming is not purely a visual based function, it's a function that requires constant user interaction as an input source for the image I'm viewing. Consequently, I don't view FG as a performance boost.

kiwigraeme said:

The only downside is you need something like a PS5, Roku , apple TV as some streamers are shy to give PCs 4K feeds .

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extremely frustrating that you can't get high quality Netflix, Amazon etc on a PC. Just get an Amazon 4k FireTV on a sale and that's sorted without breaking the bank but it's so dumb the most powerful of all the devices isn't allowed access.
According to the streaming services to prevent piracy of course, yet all of their content is available as a torrent on day one anyway

Axeia said:

extremely frustrating that you can't get high quality Netflix, Amazon etc on a PC. Just get an Amazon 4k FireTV on a sale and that's sorted without breaking the bank but it's so dumb the most powerful of all the devices isn't allowed access.
According to the streaming services to prevent piracy of course, yet all of their content is available as a torrent on day one anyway

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Yeah If you were buying the latest and greatest OLED or QD-OLED monitor, then finding out it might not play with streamer attached to it, would be quite frustrating .
If you wanted just a monitor that can be a TV with great HDR then smallest is 42" from LG C4 and a Panasonic soon to be released in some countries. Hopefully for those people 32-36" TVs are coming , not sure in TVs have head phone jacks. but imagine to dac to headphones , so not waking rest of house. See why people might pirate

I purchased the Geekom Mini IT13. Latest Gen Intel. For work.

4 monitors, no issue.

The thing is a speed demon and blows through spreadsheets that my Desktop Ryzen 5950X takes it time with.

These mini PC's are no joke.

I think we are at a point where iGPUs are quite good for some casual gaming. It runs most games well enough with some upscaling, which I think is beneficial if you are on iGPUs. What I don't appreciate is throwing frame generation in the mix and call it high FPS because those are not natively produced FPS and does not help improve latency in games. So while the FPS counter looks good because of fake frames being added to artificially bump up the FPS numbers, it does little to improve user experience.

There is a lot of speculation around that this is chipset that will sit in a Steam Deck 2, if so it looks good. In a small form factor like that 1080p is perfect and a little frame gen here and there can be very difficult to perceive. Lets hope it's as power-efficient and cool as it needs to be.

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There is a lot of speculation around that this is chipset that will sit in a Steam Deck 2, if so it looks good. In a small form factor like that 1080p is perfect and a little frame gen here and there can be very difficult to perceive. Lets hope it's as power-efficient and cool as it needs to be.

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The Steam Deck 2 is expected to be released sometime late 2026. So its still a long way to go. I sense Valve may go with some custom SOC instead of picking one off the shelf like the many Deck competitors.

I prefer "Beelink" mini computers. The main reason, they don't put any "bloatware" on their computers. Just the operating system, nothing else. The first thing I do when I get a new desktop or laptop, is to wipe the drive and reinstall the operating system. I don't need all the extra stuff, that will pretty much be void after two weeks or so anyway. Windows 11 is a different animal to be sure, I had to pretty much gut it, to make it usable.

This is impressive but I reckon specially in South Africa (If they ship it to here) would be hella expensive. Personally I won't get one for gaming except if the price is right. The steamdeck here cost more than my old Ryzen 5 2600 with a 1070TI which I gave to my brother. Not a little, About 10k more. That is not worth it.

I wonder who's that for. These that able to fork out the price of it smart enough to buy full blown GPU based rig for same cash. So what's the market for it. Tiny apartment where you struggle to squeeze full tower in? But able to fork out the price of that? Collector's item right from the start.