America's first sodium-ion battery gigafactory is coming to North Carolina

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Why it matters: Despite their generally lower energy densities, sodium-ion batteries offer compelling advantages over lithium-ion, including a longer cycle life and improved safety. Chinese companies have already begun using them for grid storage and even electric vehicles, but the US has lagged behind so far. Natron Energy, a sodium-ion battery manufacturer, is now on a mission to change that with a first-of-its-kind gigafactory for producing sodium-ion batteries on a massive scale.

Natron has announced that it will invest nearly $1.4 billion to construct a massive 1.2 million-square-foot facility in Edgecombe County, North Carolina. The factory, slated for the 437-acre Kingsboro site, will have an annual production capacity of 24 gigawatt-hours of the company's novel sodium-ion batteries once at full capacity – a 40-fold increase over the company's current output. The goal is to commercialize the technology stateside for markets such as data centers, electric vehicles, microgrids, and telecom installations.

Natron says it chose North Carolina for its "leadership in the clean energy revolution," after evaluating over 70 sites across nine states. The state also offered economic incentives, including a 12-year Job Development Investment Grant. The project is expected to create over 1,000 clean energy jobs in the area while also estimated to grow the state's economy by $3.4 billion.

Another reason why this project is unique is that Natron will be using readily available domestic materials like aluminum, iron, and manganese, instead of difficult-to-obtain materials like lithium, cobalt, and nickel.

Moving on to the technology itself, the company will use its patented Prussian blue electrodes to store sodium ions. This will help produce batteries with ultra-low internal resistance for 10x faster charging than lithium cells, meaning they could take less than 15 minutes to juice up to 100 percent. The unique chemistry also allows these cells to cycle over 50,000 times with zero performance degradation while doing away with any overheating risks.

Lithium producers have warned in recent years that the world could face a lithium shortage as soon as 2025. The metal has rapidly transitioned from a niche material for ceramics and pharmaceuticals to one of the most coveted resources on the planet in just a few decades. Sodium, on the other hand, is significantly more abundant – making it cheaper and easier to source. This means that Natron's investment in sodium-ion technology comes at a very opportune time.

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I live in NC, they chose the state because its ultra friendly for companies, they probably got all types of deals to build here.

plus, workers are treated like garbage, high chance they'll hookup with all the contract employment agencies and hire people for crappy pay with pretty much terrible benefits packages(if they can even be afforded at all)
 
This is good news assuming the plant actually gets built and goes into production. I've seen failures after getting further than this.

A quick search reveals this - https://electrek.co/2020/12/15/sodium-ion-rechargeable-battery-density/
Sodium ion batteries have a higher energy density than lithium ion batteries. @zohaibahd must have made a mistake.

Gravimetric Energy Density = How much energy a battery holds relative to its weight.
Power Density = How quickly a battery can deliver energy.
 
Am I the only one confused by this statement?

Energy and power are not the same. The following explanation is not intended to explain or confirm the difference of Sodium / Lithium batteries, just for the two difference measures of density:

Energy is the “storage” component. How many joules can the given weight or volume store. Think liquid fuel. How much energy is in a gallon of gas.

Power is the “active” component. How much watts can a given weight or volume supply. In the liquid fuel analogy, how quickly can you deliver that fuel to be consumed.

So the two different battery chemistries might store differing levels of energy, but can expend that energies at different rates.
 
From what I've read, currently sodium-ion batteries are roughly half as gravimetrically energy-dense as Lithium Ion batteries which makes them less useful for mobile devices, whether in an electric car or a phone/laptop. But for most other fixed uses like grid storage, switching lithium-ion batteries for sodium-ion saves the lithium for more appropriate mobile uses.
 
I’d like to know more about the improved safety, is it because these batteries don’t use a flammable electrolyte? Or something else? Ah wait, a Quick Look at the website says ‘non_flammable chemistry’. Good stuff.
 
I live in NC, they chose the state because its ultra friendly for companies, they probably got all types of deals to build here.

plus, workers are treated like garbage, high chance they'll hookup with all the contract employment agencies and hire people for crappy pay with pretty much terrible benefits packages(if they can even be afforded at all)
Many companies will do as little as possible, within the law.
It's sleazy, but the states have control over their own laws, and if they decide to favor the companies over their own citizens, then guess who is ultimately to blame.
 
Lithium producers have warned in recent years that the world could face a lithium shortage as soon as 2025.

but wait, there's 12 trillion worth of lithium under ukraine! Lets continue the obvious war with mutual interest.
 
Gravimetric Energy Density = How much energy a battery holds relative to its weight.
Power Density = How quickly a battery can deliver energy.
If you had read the article, you would have discovered this:
Even though a sodium-ion battery with this hard carbon negative electrode would, in theory, operate at a 0.3-volt lower voltage difference than a standard lithium-ion battery, the higher capacity of the former would lead to a much greater energy density by weight (1600 Wh/kg versus 1430 Wh/kg), resulting in a 19% increase of energy density.
But what the heck, feel free to think as you like.
 
A quick search reveals this - https://electrek.co/2020/12/15/sodium-ion-rechargeable-battery-density/
Sodium ion batteries have a higher energy density than lithium ion batteries. @zohaibahd must have made a mistake.
Again you have it exactly backwards: no sodium-ion battery ever produced has a higher energy density than lithium-ion. The link you found is for an experimental design that's never been successfully commercialized.

As for these particular ones from Natron, they're even worse than the average sodium ion battery, about 1/5 of what some lithium-ion batteries can reach:

"Natron batteries have an energy density of about 70 W h/kg—similar to that of lead-acid batteries and too low for most electric vehicles. “

 
This is officially very cool! Finally, we can get EV's with a safer battery, after the factory is up and running!
 
They're pursuing this for grid storage solutions, a use case for which gravimetric energy density is a factor far less importance than manufacturing cost and cycle longevity.
Yes, I know that. But you wouldn't know that I know that, would you?
Because I replied to your comment about poor EV mileage, and nothing more.
So now, we can all see why you went on a fishing campaign, without even considering the possibility that I have known of this tech since the early 2010s when the tech once again became viable due to lithium-ion materials getting so costly, and invested in Natron Energy (among others) shortly after that.


Now, please tell us all about why there is no way Natron Energy is going to sell Kool-Aid in their lunchrooms. At least then you could comment on something somebody did actually say.
 
Yes, I know that. But you wouldn't know that I know that, would you?
Sure; you've commented many times on your background in the commercial power sector. Why so aggressive?

Now, please tell us all about why there is no way Natron Energy is going to sell Kool-Aid in their lunchrooms. At least then you could comment on something somebody did actually say.
Did you fail to read the thread? I was specifically responding to the poster who suggested this plant would be making EV batteries. If you wish to attack me for something, go after my math: an EV built with these would have at least a 30 mile range, not the 25 I so facetiously suggested.
 
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If you wish to attack me for something, go after my math: an EV built with these would have at least a 30 mile range, not the 25 I so facetiously suggested.
Really, so are you saying that is the end of their story?
I certainly didn't invest in this for cars. The Tesla Model S was still a few years away and
I didn't even consider its use in cars in my lifetime. But the progress in their development has been impressive, to say the least.
So often your opinions on tech seem to be "today is the only day".
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but there is a history.
There is always a tomorrow, brother.

Anyway, here is another good write-up on the sodium ion battery for all interested:
 
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Really, so are you saying that is the end of their story?
It's the end of the story for this particular factory, manufacturing these particular batteries. What this thread is about, in other words. And, as your own link makes rather clear, if there is a future for Na-Ion batteries in consumer EVs, it won't be any time this decade.

But as you seem hell-bent on putting words in my mouth, I've been (moderately) excited about the prospects of Na-Ion in applications outside of EVs for some time now.
 
But as you seem hell-bent on putting words in my mouth
Wait. Are you purposely doing a pot\kettle thing with me?
Because a quick review of your past posts show I am definitely not the only one that has said something along the lines of "Ok, but that has nothing to do with what I wrote".
Paraphrasing of course.
And, as your own link makes rather clear, if there is a future for Na-Ion batteries in consumer EVs, it won't be any time this decade.
Yep. I try to post fact filled articles. Write-ups that tell all sides, and not just my side.
I've been (moderately) excited about the prospects of Na-Ion in applications outside of EVs for some time now.
Same here. And as I said, that is why I invested initially.
 
I am definitely not the only one that has said something along the lines of "Ok, but that has nothing to do with what I wrote". I try to post fact filled articles. Write-ups that tell all sides, and not just my side.
The facts stand for themselves. In reply to a direct claim to the contrary, I noted that these batteries built in this factory would be never be used in EVs. You used that to imply I was knocking the entire future of all Na-Ion batteries, in all EV markets.

And as I said, that is why I invested initially.
Ah, you're a Natron investor. That explains the gratuitous truculence. Well, GL on the shares. If you bought them years ago, then foresight was with you.
 
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