Intel's CPU stability issues persist, with a microcode update expected in a few weeks. While TechSpot has covered various angles, hands-on testing remains pending, here's our take so far.
Intel Stability Issues - The Story So Far
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i like foxes
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Intel will accept select processors for RMA - 13600K(F) and 14600K(F) and upwards . So , 13400 is not eligible for this .
Voltages above 1.5V for i7 and i9 are dangerous . So , if one wants to play it safe , should use a conservative profile . Unfortunatelly , the majority of these processors are unlocked . How can Intel explain to their customers they must not overclock !
As if Intel hopes many users will not use much their Intel processors untill the warranty expires , so they ll not notice issues and Intel ll save extra expenses .
Voltages above 1.5V for i7 and i9 are dangerous . So , if one wants to play it safe , should use a conservative profile . Unfortunatelly , the majority of these processors are unlocked . How can Intel explain to their customers they must not overclock !
As if Intel hopes many users will not use much their Intel processors untill the warranty expires , so they ll not notice issues and Intel ll save extra expenses .
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Vanderlinde
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Is not a certain percentage of those cpu's failing and not just the whole batch?
No need to throw in a recall on a product of which only < 40% suffers from.
No need to throw in a recall on a product of which only < 40% suffers from.
Achaios
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Intel runs like a legless racehorse.
They have now reached pre-Lisa Su AMD levels of fail.
This travesty can't possibly go on for much longer.
They have now reached pre-Lisa Su AMD levels of fail.
This travesty can't possibly go on for much longer.
gamerk2
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Intel feels like AMD during the Bulldozer days. Their foundry has been lagging since 14nm and has never really caught up, and that's likely been leading to Intel pushing their designs harder and harder to try and keep up with AMDs performance, leading eventually to the issues that are now cropping up.
Intel might honestly be at the point where they need to sell off/dissolve their foundry division (as AMD did a decade ago) and focus *just* on their core CPU designs.
Intel might honestly be at the point where they need to sell off/dissolve their foundry division (as AMD did a decade ago) and focus *just* on their core CPU designs.
13400 has Alder Lake cores, not Raptor Lake, so is unaffected. Same for 14400 and Core i3 models.
LetTheWookieWin
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Thanks for the update and continued investigation, Steve.
How will TechSpot / HUB handle Zen5 reviews in terms of comparative performance vs. Intel parts? Do 13th and 14th gen get omitted because of the degradation and uncertainty with the impact of the microcode or other “fixes” (assuming the root defect can be fixed)? If so, do you compare against the Intel 12th gen parts by default, as they are the last Intel design without a major defect (that we know of)?
How will TechSpot / HUB handle Zen5 reviews in terms of comparative performance vs. Intel parts? Do 13th and 14th gen get omitted because of the degradation and uncertainty with the impact of the microcode or other “fixes” (assuming the root defect can be fixed)? If so, do you compare against the Intel 12th gen parts by default, as they are the last Intel design without a major defect (that we know of)?
This whole saga brings big question: Why Techspot didn't say basically anything about Raptor Lake reliability Before these issues came public? Surely supplying 1.7V for modern CPU while consuming 253 watts continuously cannot be problem? No, Intel says it's OK so it must be OK!
Lesson: Manufacturer promises are worth nothing. If you suspect there might be problems, say it. You are professionals. Speculate if not sure. But do not just "trust" manufacturer empty promises. Sad truth is that many amateurs warned about this but basically all "professionals" just trusted Intel.
Lesson: Manufacturer promises are worth nothing. If you suspect there might be problems, say it. You are professionals. Speculate if not sure. But do not just "trust" manufacturer empty promises. Sad truth is that many amateurs warned about this but basically all "professionals" just trusted Intel.
LetTheWookieWin
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Thanks for quoting that, I missed that in the initial read of the article.
erickmendes
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Steve from Gamer Nexus have videos with extensive details about these issues with Intel cpus.
Two identical CPUs do not exist. Very probably your CPU have this problem. Just not yet. Different CPU, different durability.
MarcusNumb
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A regulator needs to step in, investigate, and (likely outcome based on the reporting) force Intel to do a recall or issue refunds. Wouldn't hurt to put sanctions of some sort in place for their misbehavior. A faulty product can be mass produced, but a company's response to that mistake is telling and should be judged. In this case, Intel isn't owning its mistake, and its executives should be held responsible for that.
been well over 15 months in use at this point; I've had a Phenom X4 965 die in half that amount of time.
Intel has been dying a very slow death for years. But I take issue with the claim that Intel is “needed” for competition. AMD is not fighting Intel, they’re fighting ARM production.
RISC never disappeared. It’s always been in the background. From Power to ARM.
It’s time for Intel to hang up its x86 line. They haven’t been competitive in a VERY long time.
RISC never disappeared. It’s always been in the background. From Power to ARM.
It’s time for Intel to hang up its x86 line. They haven’t been competitive in a VERY long time.
erickmendes
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The "out of video memory" error is related to a crash on Oodle, a think it's a texture compression/decompression component of Unreal engine (I'm not sure which game engine...), so it affects most of the games that use this engine.
Something about the Oodle instructions using similar instructions of a compression tool that when you try to run on affected Intel 13/14 CPUs it crashes from the start.
Steve Burke from Game Nexus on youtube have some in deph videos about this and the other stability issues plaguing these 13/14 cpus.
Something about the Oodle instructions using similar instructions of a compression tool that when you try to run on affected Intel 13/14 CPUs it crashes from the start.
Steve Burke from Game Nexus on youtube have some in deph videos about this and the other stability issues plaguing these 13/14 cpus.
Greg Powell
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Is this just a "gaming" problem? Because my 13600k has been fine. I had random bsod's on boot for the last year or so and changed mobo and boot nvme and all has been great, turns out after more testing that my issue was a flaky boot drive and not the mobo but at least I got a board with gen5 and a faster boot drive, the old drive is getting replaced under warranty.
More non-gaming problem, but can cause stability when gaming also. Many affected CPUs seem to be ones that have been used under heavy load. If you have no problems, then your CPU is probably fine. At least for now.
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